And the Picks....

Remember the line is listed for the home team! Dave and Vince only differ on the Clemson V Tech game and Auburn South Carolina.

Week 5 College Games

Bowling Green @ West Virginia -19.5 WV
Georgia Tech @ NC State +9.5 GTech
Texas Tech @ Kansas +6.5 Texas Tech
Michigan State @ Ohio St -3 Ohio St
Alabama @ Florida +3.5 Alabama
Texas A&M @ Arkansas +3 Arkansas
Baylor @ K State +3.5 Baylor
Ball St @ Oklahoma -37 OU
Mississippi ST @ Georgia -6.5 Georgia
Nebraska @ Wisconsin -9 Wisconsin
North Western @ Illinois -8 North Western
Clemson @ Virginia Tech -7 Clemson (D) V Tech (V)
Auburn @ South Carolina -10.5 Auburn (D) South Carolina (V)

Week 4 NFL Games

Saints @ Jags +7 Saints (D&V)
Titans @ Browns -1 Titans (D&V)
Bill @ Bengals +3 Bills (D) Bengals (V)
Vikings @ Chiefs +1.5 Vikings (D) Chiefs (V)
Panthers @ Bears -6.5 Panthers (D&V)
Falcons @ Seahawks +4.5 Falcons (D&V)
Giants @ Cardinals +1 Giants (D&V)
Dolphins @ Chargers -7.5 Chargers (D) Fins (V)
Broncos @ Packers -12.5 Broncos (D&V)
Patriots @ Raiders +4 Patriots (D&V)
Jets @ Ravens -3.5 Ravens (D&V)
Lions @ Cowboys -1.5 Cowboys (D&V)
49ers @ Eagles -7.5 waiting on Vick although he says he is playing
Steelers @ Texans -4 Texans (D&V)
Redskins @ Rams pk Rams (D) Redskins (V)
Colts @ Bucs -10 Colts (D&V)

Some thoughts from Dave...

Skins @ Rams : After a bitter end to a Monday Night Football defeat, look for Skins to go in and give the Rams a tough contest in St. Louis, but will fall with the self destructing Grossman at the helm. I don't wish this upon Grossman, but it's in his nature to take a nose dive after he's scrutinized by the media. It's obvious in his post game interview, but we'll see. I also think this is the game where Sam Bradford breaks out and has a great game. A healthy Steven Jackson always helps too. This game is a pick em and i like the home team, the Rams to squeak out their first win of the year this Sunday.

Lions @ Cowboys : This will be a great game. In all fairness, I think both teams have upward momentum. Dallas coming off a win despite several mistakes, but made enough plays on both sides of the ball to walk away with a victory. Detroit posted a very impressive road win in Minnesota. They were shutout in the first half only to come back and win it in overtime with a field goal 26-23. Stafford has looked sensational in the first few weeks and I look for him to see more pressure from the Rob Ryan defense than they did last week. This should be a great game for all involved. I see Dallas taking this one in a slight margin at home. 28-24.

Some thoughts from Vince...

Vikings @ Chiefs -- Here is what I know, the Vikings have had double digit leads in every game, with the last game being 20-0 at half time. This team is down, it is about time for Ponder to start, and McNabb is washed up. If the Chiefs showed one thing last week, it is they are not going to quit on this season. What they want to do here is force Minnesota into quite a few third downs, McNabb isn't accurate enough to be in too many third downs and succeed. He is inaccurate and has shown over his career he is not good when pressured. If the Chiefs can contain Peterson, not let him get first downs on first and second down, the Chiefs should be able to handle the Vikings. I will add that Haley called the plays in the 2nd half at San Diego, and look what the offense did, it showed up. He denies it, but it happened and anybody that watched the game could see it. He needs to call the majority of the plays this week for the Chiefs to be successful. Chiefs stay in this game long enough and the Vikings will self implode. Chiefs pull out a close one at home, another factor in them winning, 20-17. Look for the Dex Factor in this game, he could bust some big runs and help open the passing game. Also, please bench Thomas Jones.

Dolphins @ Chargers -- Two of the most unlikely outcomes for a game are a team winning by 8 or 9 points, and since I don't see the Chargers winning this game by 10 I am taking the Fins. If the line was 7 I would be inclined to think it might be a push, but I will again point out this week the Dolphins are better on the road then they are at home, without a late touchdown with 40 seconds left last week they win at Cleveland. Not only was that a great individual play by McCoy to avoid the rush the pass was on the money and was within a fingernail of getting tipped away. Tony Sparano is coaching for his life, his fate might already be sealed, but his players like him and will step up here. Phillip Rivers is the modern day Brett Favre, can look great on plays and down right stupid on others. I see the Chargers turning the ball over at least twice and the Dolphins hanging tough in this game. Chargers win, but don't be shocked if Miami has a chance to win at the end of the game. Chargers 24 Dolphins 20.